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„We escaped on our own.”

A Video Interview with Marian Dumitru on the Pogrom in Rostock-Lichtenhagen, Romania 2022

Text: Johann Henningsen, Stefanie Oster

“I hel­ped my fami­ly, we escaped on our own. Imme­dia­te­ly after the attacks, our Roma peo­p­le, rela­ti­ves and mem­bers of our com­mu­ni­ty, when they found out about the attacks, they came to help us, many with their own cars.“1

A history of silencing

The escape from the bur­ning Son­nen­blu­men­haus (Sun­flower House), tog­e­ther with his wife Leo­no­ra and their five child­ren and then, imme­dia­te­ly after­wards, the dri­ve away from Lich­ten­ha­gen, orga­ni­zed by other Roma – this is how Mari­an Dumit­ru remem­bers the racist attacks in August 1992, which are now con­side­red the lar­gest pogrom in Ger­man post-war histo­ry. From August 22 to August 24, hundreds of vio­lent indi­vi­du­als atta­cked for­mer con­tract workers from Viet­nam as well as asyl­um see­kers to the applau­se of thou­sands of peo­p­le.2

It had alre­a­dy taken Mari­an Dumit­ru and his fami­ly over two weeks to get from Roma­nia to Pol­and. They then crossed the green bor­der from Pol­and to Meck­len­burg Wes­tern Pome­ra­nia and arri­ved at the Zen­tra­le Auf­nah­me­stel­le (Cen­tral Recep­ti­on Cen­ter, ZASt) in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen. As Roma in post-socia­list Roma­nia, he and his fami­ly had pre­vious­ly been sub­ject to racist mar­gi­na­liza­ti­on and extre­me pover­ty. In Ger­ma­ny, they now hoped to find a bet­ter and safer life, espe­ci­al­ly for their children’s sake.

The fact that Mari­an Dumit­ru talks about his memo­ries in an inter­view is any­thing but a mat­ter of cour­se. Despi­te the pogroms gre­at sym­bo­lic signi­fi­can­ce and pre­sence in the media, almost not­hing was known for deca­des about the asyl­um see­kers who were atta­cked in the ZASt. Most of them had pre­su­ma­b­ly left Meck­len­burg Wes­tern Pome­ra­nia soon after the pogrom – due to the tigh­tening of asyl­um laws, depor­ta­ti­ons and ever­y­day right-wing vio­lence. Their per­spec­ti­ves hard­ly play­ed any role in the num­e­rous media reports and the few aca­de­mic stu­dies on the pogrom.3 Insti­tu­tio­na­li­zed racism and raci­al­ly struc­tu­red dis­cour­ses intert­wi­ned and enab­led the deca­des-long silen­cing of one of the two main groups affec­ted by the pogrom.

This makes the retro­s­pec­ti­ve docu­men­ta­ti­on and visua­liza­ti­on of the tes­ti­mo­nies of tho­se affec­ted, e.g. by means of oral histo­ry inter­views, all the more important. Alt­hough the­se inter­views can­not be clas­si­fied as “self-tes­ti­mo­nies” writ­ten on their own initia­ti­ve, but rather as “ego docu­ments”, they do make it pos­si­ble to recon­s­truct the per­cep­ti­ons, inter­pre­ta­ti­ons, assess­ments and actions of tho­se affec­ted. Actu­al self-tes­ti­mo­nies in the form of let­ters or dia­ries by affec­ted asyl­um see­kers are not known so far.

Thanks to the coope­ra­ti­on with Roma self-orga­niza­ti­ons and rese­ar­chers from Ger­ma­ny and Roma­nia, the “Lich­ten­ha­gen im Gedächt­nis” (Lich­ten­ha­gen in Memo­ry) Docu­men­ta­ti­on Cen­ter sin­ce 2022 has been able to con­duct inter­views with seve­ral of tho­se affec­ted who come from Roma com­mu­ni­ties in sou­thern Roma­nia and who expe­ri­en­ced the pogrom as asyl­um see­kers in the Lich­ten­ha­gen Recep­ti­on Cent­re. On the 31st anni­ver­sa­ry of the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen in August 2023, the­se eye­wit­nesses spo­ke for the first time at a public talk in Ros­tock Town Hall.4

For us as Ros­tock resi­dents rese­ar­ching the pogrom in Lich­ten­ha­gen, the sto­ries told by tho­se affec­ted unco­ver enti­re­ly new per­spec­ti­ves on the event. Moreo­ver, they rai­se enti­re­ly new questions.

Self-defence and continuities of persecution

In his initi­al quo­te, Mari­an Dumit­ru recounts saving hims­elf from the bur­ning Sun­flower House. This aspect of the event shows up in seve­ral of the inter­views. In our own recon­s­truc­tions of the pogrom, howe­ver, we have so far assu­med that all asyl­um see­kers from the ZASt were evacua­ted from the house on the third day of the pogrom befo­re it was set on fire. We have not yet been able to ful­ly recon­s­truct the situa­ti­on descri­bed by the wit­nesses. This ina­bi­li­ty says a lot about the sta­te of aca­de­mic rese­arch on the pogrom in Lichtenhagen.

Mari­an Dumit­ru also remem­bers being picked up from Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen in cars by other Roma. This sto­ry of a self-orga­ni­zed and self-deter­mi­ned depar­tu­re from the city was also com­ple­te­ly unknown until now. Both sto­ries illus­tra­te the effec­ti­ve­ness of the self-pro­tec­tion mea­su­res employ­ed by vic­tims of right-wing vio­lence and the simul­ta­neous fail­ure of the state’s poli­ce forces. This is an obvious par­al­lel to the self-res­cue efforts of the Viet­na­me­se vic­tims on the third day of the pogrom who escaped by crossing the roof of the bur­ning Sun­flower House.5

Howe­ver, fle­e­ing Ros­tock did not result in a suc­cessful escape from racist vio­lence. Mari­an Dumit­ru recalls fur­ther attacks that were so seve­re that he even­tual­ly retur­ned to Roma­nia: “In every Roma popu­la­ted area, the­se noti­ces were every day. They arso­ned, they atta­cked, they came after us. I stay­ed five or six months more, until one point when I could not resist any­mo­re. I left. I left and the­re is a say­ing: The way I left from home, the same way I retur­ned.“6

This sto­ry demons­tra­tes that the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen was neither an excep­tio­nal phe­no­me­non nor an iso­la­ted case but must be seen in a wider con­text of other attacks. It is pre­cis­e­ly for this reason that con­tem­po­ra­ry his­to­ri­cal rese­arch should shift its focus away from the events that are pre­sent in the media and towards the “small” attacks, the for­got­ten pogroms and the ever­y­day natu­re of right-wing violence.

At the end of the inter­view, Mari­an Dumit­ru draws a broad his­to­ri­cal arc. When asked how he would reflect on the attacks in Ros­tock today, he repli­es: “What can I say? I have stu­di­ed up until the 10th gra­de. I have read pre­vious­ly about the Second World War, and I know what hap­pen­ed, and what they did to the Roma peo­p­le. Reflec­ting upon this event, I think they wan­ted to do the same to us. “7

This refe­rence to the per­se­cu­ti­on of Roma under natio­nal socia­lism seems obvious. Under Ion Anto­nes­cu’s mili­ta­ry dic­ta­tor­ship, an ally of Nazi Ger­ma­ny, more than 25,000 Roma were depor­ted to Trans­nis­tria and at least half of them were mur­de­red. The Roma­ni­an Roma atta­cked in Lich­ten­ha­gen very pro­ba­b­ly included sur­vi­vors of the Nazi geno­ci­de as well as their child­ren and grand­child­ren. In stu­dies on the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen, the con­ti­nui­ty of racist vio­lence8 has so far only play­ed a role – if at all – at the level of ideo­lo­gy.9 What signi­fi­can­ce this con­ti­nui­ty could have for tho­se per­so­nal­ly affec­ted by both has not even been asked so far.

Bearing witness – for whom?

Sin­ce his return to Roma­nia, Mari­an Dumit­ru has lived with his fami­ly in the sou­thern town of Crai­o­va. For a long time, he and his wife Leo­no­ra work­ed tog­e­ther at the city­’s mar­ket run by Roma.10 The mar­ket was clo­sed by the city coun­cil in the sum­mer of 2023 to make way for a char­ging sta­ti­on for elec­tric buses. Despi­te poli­ti­cal efforts, the­re is still no alter­na­ti­ve space for the mar­ket. As a result, dozens of fami­lies lost their only source of inco­me.11

This tre­at­ment of the Roma com­mu­ni­ty in Crai­o­va is just one exam­p­le of the ongo­ing dis­cri­mi­na­ti­on in Roma­nia. One con­se­quence of this is the migra­ti­on of child­ren and grand­child­ren of tho­se affec­ted by the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen – now often no lon­ger to Ger­ma­ny, but to the USA, whe­re they find them­sel­ves in the same cycles of ille­ga­liza­ti­on and vio­lence as their par­ents did thir­ty years ear­lier.12

Over the past two years, tho­se affec­ted from Crai­o­va have inves­ted a lot of time and ener­gy in giving inter­views or tra­ve­ling to events in Ros­tock. The per­spec­ti­ves of the eye­wit­nesses from Roma­nia have signi­fi­cant­ly shaped and expan­ded the rese­arch and remem­brance of the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen sin­ce 2022. For local poli­tics and civil socie­ty, it is a sym­bo­lic gain when affec­ted Roma speak at com­me­mo­ra­ti­ve events. For us as rese­ar­chers, it adds enti­re­ly new per­spec­ti­ves and ques­ti­ons, such as tho­se descri­bed abo­ve. We bene­fit in many ways from the tes­ti­mo­nies of tho­se affec­ted. This crea­tes an imba­lan­ce bet­ween sci­en­ti­fic and com­me­mo­ra­ti­ve uti­liza­ti­on wit­hout offe­ring direct bene­fits for the affec­ted. This can be unders­tood as part of the con­ti­nui­ty of Gad­jé racist struc­tures descri­bed above.

This issue makes it even more urgent to ask what kind of respon­si­bi­li­ty local forms of com­me­mo­ra­ti­on and rese­arch bear. Iza­be­la Tibe­ria­de, hers­elf the daugh­ter of two sur­vi­vors of the pogrom, for­mu­la­ted clear demands at the com­me­mo­ra­ti­ve event in August 2023 in Ros­tock City Hall.13 The­se include equal par­ti­ci­pa­ti­on of the com­mu­ni­ty in Crai­o­va in edu­ca­tio­nal and rese­arch pro­jects, for­mal coope­ra­ti­on bet­ween the cities of Ros­tock and Crai­o­va and sup­port in estab­li­shing cont­acts with the Viet­na­me­se com­mu­ni­ty in Ros­tock. A cri­ti­cal reapp­rai­sal of the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen that goes bey­ond the aca­de­mic and com­me­mo­ra­ti­ve use of the tes­ti­mo­nies of tho­se affec­ted must con­sider the­se demands.

Trans­la­ti­on: Nils Bergmann

References

  1. Inter­view with Mari­an Dumit­ru from July 12, 2022, Docu­men­ta­ti­on Cen­ter “Lich­ten­ha­gen im Gedächt­nis”, lines 93–95. Available at: https://vimeo.com/786397714. Ori­gi­nal­ly in Roma­ni­an Roma­nes. The trans­la­ti­on into Eng­lish was pro­vi­ded by the inter­view­er Iza­be­la Tiberiade.
  2. You can find more infor­ma­ti­on on the pogrom in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen in our web docu­men­ta­ti­on: app.lichtenhagen-1992.de
  3. See also the artic­le by Emi­lia Hen­kel on the negle­ct of the per­spec­ti­ves of asyl­um see­kers in con­tem­po­ra­ry his­to­ri­cal research.
  4. The inter­views and a recor­ding of the event can be view­ed online: https://app.lichtenhagen-1992.de/betroffene-romnja-aus-rumaenien/
  5. Dan Thy Nguy­en, Eine geteil­te Com­mu­ni­ty. Kal­ter Krieg, Mau­er­fall und die viet­na­me­si­sche Migra­ti­ons­ge­schich­te, in: Lydia Lier­ke, Mas­si­mo Peri­nel­li (eds.), Erin­nern stö­ren. Der Mau­er­fall aus migran­ti­scher und jüdi­scher Per­spek­ti­ve, Ber­lin 2020, 405–422, here 419.
  6. Inter­view with Mari­an Dumit­ru, lines 117–120.
  7. Inter­view with Mari­an Dumit­ru, lines 136–138.
  8. We have deci­ded to use the term “Gad­jé racism” here in order to cha­rac­te­ri­ze the prac­ti­tio­ners of racism. Gad­jé is a Roma­nes term for non-Roma. The term “Gad­jé racism” thus marks the peo­p­le from whom the racism emana­tes and not the peo­p­le affec­ted, unli­ke the term “anti­zi­ga­nism”, for exam­p­le. The lat­ter con­ta­ins the racist desi­gna­ti­on of others and empha­si­zes the power of ste­reo­ty­pes. Rox­an­na-Lor­raine Witt: Gad­jé Ras­sis­mus. Ein ana­ly­ti­scher Per­spek­tiv­wech­sel auf Kon­ti­nui­tä­ten men­schen­feind­li­cher Ideo­lo­gien in wei­ßer Kul­tur und Iden­ti­tät, in: Onur Suzan Nob­re­ga, Mat­thi­as Quent, Jonas Zipf (eds.): Ras­sis­mus. Macht. Ver­ges­sen. Von Mün­chen über den NSU bis Hanau. Sym­bo­li­sche und mate­ri­el­le Kämp­fe ent­lang rech­ten Ter­rors, Bie­le­feld 2021, 125–144, here 129f.
  9. Ste­phan Geel­haar, Ulri­ke Marz, Tho­mas Pren­zel, “… und du wirst sehen, die hier woh­nen wer­den aus den Fens­tern schau­en und Bei­fall klat­schen.”. Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen als anti­zi­ga­nis­ti­sches Pogrom und kon­for­mis­ti­sche Revol­te, in: Alex­an­dra Bartels, Tobi­as von Borcke, Mar­kus End, Anna Fried­rich (eds.), Anti­zi­ga­nis­ti­sche Zustän­de 2. Kri­ti­sche Posi­tio­nen gegen gewalt­vol­le Ver­hält­nis­se. Müns­ter 2013, p. 140–161.
  10. Jean-Phil­ipp Baeck, Alle­gra Schnei­der, Die ver­schwun­de­nen Roma, in: taz. die tages­zei­tung, August 26, 2022, https://taz.de/30-Jahre-Rostock-Lichtenhagen/!5874650/, acces­sed on Janu­ary 3, 2024.
  11. Valen­tin Tudor, Dispa­re Târ­gul de Săp­tămână din Crai­o­va?, in: Gaze­ta De Sud, August 22, 2023, https://www.gds.ro/Local/2023–08-22/dispare-targul-de-saptamana-din-craiova/, acces­sed on Janu­ary 3, 2024.
  12. Sozia­le Bil­dung Ros­tock, Zeitzeug*inneninterviews mit über­le­ben­den Rom*nja des Pogroms in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen 1992 / Iza­be­la Tibe­ria­de im Gespräch, in: Vimeo, 2022, https://vimeo.com/776250704, 00:26:07–00:28:43.
  13. Sozia­le Bil­dung Ros­tock, Hauptzeug*innen des Pogroms in Ros­tock-Lich­ten­ha­gen (26.08.2023 im Rat­haus Ros­tock), in: Vimeo, 2023, https://vimeo.com/877792187, 00:30:01–00:37:16.
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